From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Thu Nov  1 17:06:21 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:06:21 -0700
Subject: [cdwg] Recap of OpenSFS web site design presentation
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My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...

On Oct 25, 2012, at 4:23 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> Here are some additional files presenting the different design ideas. The committee’s choice is the Open Seas theme.
>  
> Regards,
> Pam
>  
> From: Hamilton, Pam 
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:00 PM
> To: 'cdwg at lists.opensfs.org'
> Subject: FW: Recap of OpenSFS web site design presentation
> Importance: High
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> Please see below for an email from Jodi Wing of LoudDog with design ideas for the new OpenSFS web pages. The committee has selected Concept 1. We have until Tuesday, 10/30, close of business to finalize our choice. This short turnaround is due to wanting to use our new design for an SC12 brochure.
>  
> Please review the designs and reply back to me by Tuesday if you have any feedback. We know the messaging needs some tweaking and LoudDog will be working on that over the next week.
>  
> Thanks!
> Pam
>  
> ___________________________________
> Pam Hamilton
> Lawrence Livermore National Lab 
> P.O. Box 808, L-556
> Livermore, CA  94551-9900
> E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
> Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719
>  
> From: Jodi Wing [mailto:jodi at louddog.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:07 PM
> To: Norman Morse; Hamilton, Pam; Morrone, Chris
> Cc: Jesse Casman; Stephen Simms; opensfs at louddog.com
> Subject: Recap of design presentation
>  
> Hi everyone,
> Thanks so much for your time today! We really got some good insight about who you want to be as an organization and how you'd like to make that more clear. I think we all agree that the messaging needs some adjustment to shift its focus away from Lustre as the solo act and towards an open HPC community. With that in mind, we think "KEEPING HPC OPEN" is another strong headline, but wanted to toss it out to you all now, as this may be a statement that has objections from the group.
> 
> We'll circle back with Jesse to see if we can massage the messaging together in more detail over the next week.
> 
> We've all agreed that for the first phase of Opensfs.org's homepage, we'll steer clear of ongoing dynamic content like News, Events, or tweets, for a clear and inspiring organizational message that encourages new members. We'll focus on providing a site that can deliver fresh and active content on its homepage for lustre.opensfs.org.
> 
> Our takeaway from today's call is that the visual languages we presented are on track but the messaging is a bit too Lustre focused and OpenSFS does not want all its eggs in one basket. With that special note in mind, I've attached the presentation for distribution to any stakeholders that may be interested.
> 
> Chris - as you mentioned you were not wild about the sullivannyc.com animation between frames, here is another site that handles it differently, where you click on any of the items in the nav bar (or arrows near each dotted line) and the scrolling animates you to a stop: http://rodesk.nl/  
> We may be able to explore something similar for our Open Seas concept.
> 
> Norm - we'll move ahead with Open Seas if we do not hear any other feedback by EOB next Tuesday, Oct 30. 
> 
> In the meantime, we'll focus on refined messaging, and think a bit on a brochure layout for SC12 using the Open Seas concept. We'll need to push hard next week to get the brochure complete so it can be printed in time for SC12 and delivered to SLC by 11/8.
> 
> Thanks for all of your input and participation!
>  
> Jodi Wing
> ------------------------
> Art Director
> 
> 415 956 0200 x112
> jodi at louddog.com
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

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From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  1 19:00:55 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:00:55 -0700
Subject: [cdwg] Recap of OpenSFS web site design presentation
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Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the wiki, 
or the actual wiki software?

If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are 
pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing that 
was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the problems?

On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...

From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Fri Nov  2 14:23:08 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:23:08 -0700
Subject: [cdwg] Recap of OpenSFS web site design presentation
In-Reply-To: <5092C6E7.6090301@llnl.gov>
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On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the wiki, or the actual wiki software?
> 
> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the problems?
The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this. 
MediaWiki just seems easier.  

> 
> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov  2 17:52:47 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:52:47 -0700
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <0570EE0D-4361-4E4A-AB15-AE07120D5918@xyratex.com>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80024362@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
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Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up 
before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured 
MediaWiki instance.

I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and 
configured the way we want.

The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were 
unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it 
is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into 
where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the 
passwords, etc.

If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki 
engine, please speak up promptly.

Chris

On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>
>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>
>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the problems?
> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>
>>
>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>
>

From jupmille at iu.edu  Sat Nov  3 01:14:33 2012
From: jupmille at iu.edu (Justin Miller)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:14:33 -0400
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <5094086F.3050606@llnl.gov>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80024362@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
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Confluence wiki is definitely worth considering.

http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview/team-collaboration-software

Atlassian provides licenses to their stable of products for open source
projects, I'd wager OpenSFS would qualify for that.

http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request

- Justin

On 11/2/12 1:52 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
> Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up
> before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured
> MediaWiki instance.
> 
> I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and
> configured the way we want.
> 
> The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were
> unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it
> is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into
> where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the
> passwords, etc.
> 
> If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki
> engine, please speak up promptly.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone
>> <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the
>>> wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>>
>>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are
>>> pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing
>>> that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the
>>> problems?
>> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual
>> formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The
>> difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
>> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>>
>>>
>>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cdwg mailing list
>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>>
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From andreas.dilger at intel.com  Sat Nov  3 01:33:25 2012
From: andreas.dilger at intel.com (Dilger, Andreas)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:33:25 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <50946FF9.7090008@iu.edu>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80024362@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8002441F@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<7661A626-3D56-44F8-9DB9-EF8B3312AFB2@xyratex.com>
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	<5094086F.3050606@llnl.gov> <50946FF9.7090008@iu.edu>
Message-ID: <6A4A822D-A3D7-4937-9D42-DCDD5D345864@intel.com>

The Whamcloud wiki is backed by Confluence.  AFAIK, this is also integrated with Jira in some manner, though I don't know all of the details. 

Cheers, Andreas

On 2012-11-02, at 19:14, Justin Miller <jupmille at iu.edu> wrote:

> Confluence wiki is definitely worth considering.
> 
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview/team-collaboration-software
> 
> Atlassian provides licenses to their stable of products for open source
> projects, I'd wager OpenSFS would qualify for that.
> 
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
> 
> - Justin
> 
> On 11/2/12 1:52 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
>> Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up
>> before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured
>> MediaWiki instance.
>> 
>> I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and
>> configured the way we want.
>> 
>> The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were
>> unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it
>> is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into
>> where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the
>> passwords, etc.
>> 
>> If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki
>> engine, please speak up promptly.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone
>>> <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the
>>>> wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>>> 
>>>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are
>>>> pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing
>>>> that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the
>>>> problems?
>>> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual
>>> formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The
>>> difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
>>> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> cdwg mailing list
>>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Mon Nov  5 17:25:50 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:25:50 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: OpenSFS Community Development WG call
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE800310FD@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

When: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:00 AM-10:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Hi all,

This is a reminder that there will be an OpenSFS Community Development Working Group conference call on Wednesday, November 7th, at 9am Pacific.

Agenda:
•       Lustre Development Community Tree Maintenance Contract update
•       I’ll try to send the latest draft I’ve been working on to each CDWG member whose parent organization is a member of OpenSFS prior to the call.  I’ve been busy with the new OpenSFS web site effort and SC12 so the contract has had to fall to the back burner.

Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Regards,
Pam


-----Original Appointment-----
From: Hamilton, Pam
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 10:52 AM
To: 'cdwg at lists.opensfs.org'
Cc: 'pjones at whamcloud.com'; Leininger, Matthew L.; 'Reitz, Doug M.'; 'Cory Spitz'; 'Hill, Jason J.'; 'cfaber at gmail.com'; 'Ferber, Dan'; Gary, Mark R.; 'Alexander I Kulyavtsev'; 'Jodi Levi'; 'Felix, Evan J'; 'Hanafi, Mahmoud (ARC-TN)[Computer Sciences Corporation]'
Subject: OpenSFS Community Development WG call
When: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:00 AM-10:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#



 Hi all,

This is the bi-weekly conference call of the OpenSFS Community Development Working Group. Occurs every 2 weeks on Wednesday effective 8/15/2012 from 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM Pacific.

Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Regards,
Pam


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From peter.a.jones at intel.com  Mon Nov  5 18:06:24 2012
From: peter.a.jones at intel.com (Jones, Peter A)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:06:24 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Roadmap Refresh - DRAFT FOR REVIEW
Message-ID: <CCBD4011.635D%peter.a.jones@intel.com>

Hi there

Here is the draft for the next roadmap refresh. Could we please get any feedback in time for Wednesday's CDWG meeting?

Thanks

Peter
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From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Mon Nov  5 23:17:40 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:17:40 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Roadmap Refresh - DRAFT FOR REVIEW
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It looks good to me.

Regards,
Pam

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab 
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:cdwg-
> bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Jones, Peter A
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:06 AM
> To: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: [cdwg] Roadmap Refresh - DRAFT FOR REVIEW
> 
> Hi there
> 
> Here is the draft for the next roadmap refresh. Could we please get any
> feedback in time for Wednesday's CDWG meeting?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Tue Nov  6 00:27:37 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:27:37 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Roadmap Refresh - DRAFT FOR REVIEW
In-Reply-To: <CCBD4011.635D%peter.a.jones@intel.com>
References: <CCBD4011.635D%peter.a.jones@intel.com>
Message-ID: <50985979.9030803@llnl.gov>

I don't really have a problem with the content, but I think we need to 
work on the presentation.  Some issues:

1) It makes it look like 1.8 continues indefinitely, while the current 
maintenance branch, 2.1, is ending when 2.4 comes out
2) Maintenance/Feature Release terminology has confused many people
3) Showing 2.4.0 only on the "feature release" branch leads to problems 
that we have already seen, where folks think that they should avoid it 
and target the 2.4.1 release three months later instead.  I don't think 
we want to convey that idea.

I think that we want to visually represent 2.4.0 more of a target for 
people to use.  See my attached sketch.

I think that we can drop 1.8 line from the roadmap altogether.  It would 
suffice to have a bullet point on another slide that mentions 1.8's 
status as "ad-hoc only releases".

Perhaps trying to put the new feature developments on the same slide 
that shows all of the development streams is too busy.  Maybe we have 
one slide that is something like my attached "lustre streams" graphic 
(but cleaned up and with dates added), and then the "Roadmap" slide is a 
simpler one that shows only master.  That is, after all, where all of 
the features land.

Perhaps call the first slide showing all of the streams and versions the 
"Release Schedule", and the second one with only the major 6-month 
releases along master and the planned new features the "Feature Roadmap".

Chris


On 11/05/2012 10:06 AM, Jones, Peter A wrote:
> Hi there
>
> Here is the draft for the next roadmap refresh. Could we please get any feedback in time for Wednesday's CDWG meeting?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>

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From nic_henke at xyratex.com  Tue Nov  6 14:08:57 2012
From: nic_henke at xyratex.com (Nic Henke)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:08:57 -0500
Subject: [cdwg] Defect Escapes
Message-ID: <7D28273E-D523-4D15-AFA0-F426655CEF9E@xyratex.com>

Hello,

	Denis Kodrantenko has posted some very interesting data on the OpenSFS wiki on Defect Escapes - the bugs that are being reported and fixed after a release is cut.  We are hoping this is the start of a fun conversation on how we can classify and track errors better, and perhaps arrive at some ideas of how to reduce the number of escapes in the future.

	Also of particular interest is a table that shows the defect density for Lustre 2.1 as compared to the code coverage. It doesn't seem there is a clear coverage relationship to the end defect density - perhaps we need better measures or it starts to indicate some of the historic quality issues couldn't be found just through more complete, in a strictly code coverage manner,  testing.

The page is here: http://www.opensfs.org/foswiki/bin/view/Lustre/DefectsEscape

Cheers,
Nic

Nicholas Henke • Senior Filesystem Developer
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From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Wed Nov  7 19:02:36 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:02:36 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
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I'd actually prefer that as well -  I didn't realize it was free for open source.

On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Dilger, Andreas" <andreas.dilger at intel.com> wrote:

> The Whamcloud wiki is backed by Confluence.  AFAIK, this is also integrated with Jira in some manner, though I don't know all of the details. 
> 
> Cheers, Andreas
> 
> On 2012-11-02, at 19:14, Justin Miller <jupmille at iu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Confluence wiki is definitely worth considering.
>> 
>> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview/team-collaboration-software
>> 
>> Atlassian provides licenses to their stable of products for open source
>> projects, I'd wager OpenSFS would qualify for that.
>> 
>> http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
>> 
>> - Justin
>> 
>> On 11/2/12 1:52 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
>>> Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up
>>> before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured
>>> MediaWiki instance.
>>> 
>>> I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and
>>> configured the way we want.
>>> 
>>> The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were
>>> unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it
>>> is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into
>>> where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the
>>> passwords, etc.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki
>>> engine, please speak up promptly.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone
>>>> <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the
>>>>> wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are
>>>>> pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing
>>>>> that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the
>>>>> problems?
>>>> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual
>>>> formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The
>>>> difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
>>>> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> cdwg mailing list
>>>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cdwg mailing list
>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 19:04:54 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:04:54 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
Message-ID: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>

I was able to get access to OpenSFS's dreamhost account.  I updated the 
Mediawiki instance at wiki.opensfs.org, and things seem to be working ok.

But DON'T USE IT YET.

It seems to me that the better place for the wiki is to root it at 
opensfs.org/wiki, and get rid of wiki.opensfs.org (I'd probably put a 
redirect in place).

So here's the situation: if we want something now, Mediawiki will work. 
  If we want Confluence, we're going to need a volunteer to champion 
that effort: get a license, get a server, do the setup, configuration, 
and general sysadmin work.  Perhaps change opensfs to a virtual private 
server and admin that (although now I am beginning to see that we can 
actually do quite a bit within the normal "shared hosting" account that 
we have on Dreamhost).

What do people want?

Chris

From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Wed Nov  7 19:47:13 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:47:13 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>


On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> I was able to get access to OpenSFS's dreamhost account.  I updated the Mediawiki instance at wiki.opensfs.org, and things seem to be working ok.
> 
> But DON'T USE IT YET.
Oops :)

> 
> It seems to me that the better place for the wiki is to root it at opensfs.org/wiki, and get rid of wiki.opensfs.org (I'd probably put a redirect in place).
Not that I really care, but why is that better?

> 
> So here's the situation: if we want something now, Mediawiki will work.  If we want Confluence, we're going to need a volunteer to champion that effort: get a license, get a server, do the setup, configuration, and general sysadmin work.  Perhaps change opensfs to a virtual private server and admin that (although now I am beginning to see that we can actually do quite a bit within the normal "shared hosting" account that we have on Dreamhost).
Mediawiki seems fine for me.  Just started playing, text editor seems much more straightforward than FosWiki.

> 
> What do people want?
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From carrier at cray.com  Wed Nov  7 21:08:12 2012
From: carrier at cray.com (John Carrier)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:08:12 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
Message-ID: <A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED115C@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>

Chris,

When Shay first had the mediawiki set up, there were a couple problems I encountered.  Anyone could register on the wiki regardless of affiliation and anyone registered could add/remove content.  We need to allow the wiki to be moderated before updates get posted.  There were also issues with uploading files (ie they weren't enabled).

--jc

-----Original Message-----
From: cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Rutman
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:47 AM
To: Christopher J. Morrone
Cc: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
Subject: Re: [cdwg] Wiki Update


On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> I was able to get access to OpenSFS's dreamhost account.  I updated the Mediawiki instance at wiki.opensfs.org, and things seem to be working ok.
> 
> But DON'T USE IT YET.
Oops :)

> 
> It seems to me that the better place for the wiki is to root it at opensfs.org/wiki, and get rid of wiki.opensfs.org (I'd probably put a redirect in place).
Not that I really care, but why is that better?

> 
> So here's the situation: if we want something now, Mediawiki will work.  If we want Confluence, we're going to need a volunteer to champion that effort: get a license, get a server, do the setup, configuration, and general sysadmin work.  Perhaps change opensfs to a virtual private server and admin that (although now I am beginning to see that we can actually do quite a bit within the normal "shared hosting" account that we have on Dreamhost).
Mediawiki seems fine for me.  Just started playing, text editor seems much more straightforward than FosWiki.

> 
> What do people want?
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

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From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 21:14:59 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:14:59 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
Message-ID: <509ACF53.5050706@llnl.gov>

On 11/07/2012 11:47 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I was able to get access to OpenSFS's dreamhost account.  I updated the Mediawiki instance at wiki.opensfs.org, and things seem to be working ok.
>>
>> But DON'T USE IT YET.
> Oops :)

No problem!  You can certainly play around with it all you like.  I just 
didn't want anyone to get attached to it, and be annoyed if/when I move 
it and start over again.  Or if we get a volunteer to set up Confluence.

>> It seems to me that the better place for the wiki is to root it at opensfs.org/wiki, and get rid of wiki.opensfs.org (I'd probably put a redirect in place).
> Not that I really care, but why is that better?

Putting it under wiki.opensfs.org implies a different computer is 
involved.  With the dreamhost setup, it really is managed under a 
different username and is treated as a separate web site.

I'm of the camp that believes that URLs should be well designed and 
fairly static.  This article explains it a bit:

   http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

But this philosophy includes the idea that URLs should be human readable 
and not expose the details of implementation.

The opensfs foswiki URLs are bad because, for instance:

    http://www.opensfs.org/foswiki/bin/view/Lustre/CodeCoverage

contains the completely useless "foswiki/bin/view/" string.  The 
specific wiki software we use, "foswiki", is a detail users don't need 
to see, and the "bin" and "view" directories are some detail of 
foswiki's operation that we should be hiding.  If URL was:

   http://opensfs.org/wiki/Lustre/CodeCoverage

Then that URL would likely remain good for many years.


From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Wed Nov  7 21:20:30 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:20:30 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED115C@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
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On Nov 7, 2012, at 1:08 PM, John Carrier <carrier at cray.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> When Shay first had the mediawiki set up, there were a couple problems I encountered.  Anyone could register on the wiki regardless of affiliation and anyone registered could add/remove content.
I don't mind if registration is vetted/approved, however...
>  We need to allow the wiki to be moderated before updates get posted.
...I disagree.  That requires effort on the part of the moderator, slows the pace of information addition, and generally discourages contribution.  That's in fact one of my chief complaints with the current FosWiki.

Don't these things keep history?  If someone destroys something, we should be able to restore it.

>  There were also issues with uploading files (ie they weren't enabled).
> 
> --jc
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Rutman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:47 AM
> To: Christopher J. Morrone
> Cc: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: Re: [cdwg] Wiki Update
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Christopher J. Morrone <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> 
>> I was able to get access to OpenSFS's dreamhost account.  I updated the Mediawiki instance at wiki.opensfs.org, and things seem to be working ok.
>> 
>> But DON'T USE IT YET.
> Oops :)
> 
>> 
>> It seems to me that the better place for the wiki is to root it at opensfs.org/wiki, and get rid of wiki.opensfs.org (I'd probably put a redirect in place).
> Not that I really care, but why is that better?
> 
>> 
>> So here's the situation: if we want something now, Mediawiki will work.  If we want Confluence, we're going to need a volunteer to champion that effort: get a license, get a server, do the setup, configuration, and general sysadmin work.  Perhaps change opensfs to a virtual private server and admin that (although now I am beginning to see that we can actually do quite a bit within the normal "shared hosting" account that we have on Dreamhost).
> Mediawiki seems fine for me.  Just started playing, text editor seems much more straightforward than FosWiki.
> 
>> 
>> What do people want?
>> 
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 21:27:13 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:27:13 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED115C@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
	<A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED115C@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>
Message-ID: <509AD231.3010008@llnl.gov>

On 11/07/2012 01:08 PM, John Carrier wrote:
> Chris,
>
> When Shay first had the mediawiki set up, there were a couple problems I encountered.  Anyone could register on the wiki regardless of affiliation and anyone registered could add/remove content.  We need to allow the wiki to be moderated before updates get posted.  There were also issues with uploading files (ie they weren't enabled).

First, those issues are just configuration details, not fundamental 
problems with either Mediawiki or our service level at Dreamhost.  Now 
more detail:

Permissions: Is that REALLY necessary?  Our opensfs wiki is nearly 
entirely unused.  You talked about the TWG area on the wiki on a recent 
call.  But that area is just an empty stub, not an actually used area. 
Why is that?

To make the wiki better, I think Nathan and I are of the opinion that we 
need to lower the bar for contribution.

But like I said, Mediawiki is configurable.  The main modes are 
something like:

   A) Anyone can create/modify pages without an account.  Anyone can
      view pages.
   B) Anyone who creates an account can create/modify pages.  Anyone can
      view pages.
   C) Anyone who creates an account, and then someone else authorizes
      that account can create/modify pages.  Anyone can view pages.
   D) Private wiki.  Only those with accounts and authorization can even
      view the wiki.

I selected "B" the first time through configuring it.  That will stop 
the dumber bots from spaming our wiki.  I think it would be reasonable 
to wait until people actually start causing problems, or we get bots 
that are auto-creating accounts on our site and spamming us (although we 
might also look into captcha to help avoid bots).

But if people are really paranoid, I suppose C would work, and I would 
just try to authorize all new accounts from recognized names and/or 
organizations as soon as possible.

Uploads:  I turned them on.  Max file size increased to 64MB.  That can 
be changed if needed.

Chris

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 21:43:10 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:43:10 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <7C962CEA-8D53-434A-B88B-FB3DB99FF182@xyratex.com>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
	<A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED115C@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>
	<7C962CEA-8D53-434A-B88B-FB3DB99FF182@xyratex.com>
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On 11/07/2012 01:20 PM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 1:08 PM, John Carrier <carrier at cray.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> When Shay first had the mediawiki set up, there were a couple problems I encountered.  Anyone could register on the wiki regardless of affiliation and anyone registered could add/remove content.
> I don't mind if registration is vetted/approved, however...
>>   We need to allow the wiki to be moderated before updates get posted.
> ...I disagree.  That requires effort on the part of the moderator, slows the pace of information addition, and generally discourages contribution.  That's in fact one of my chief complaints with the current FosWiki.
>
> Don't these things keep history?  If someone destroys something, we should be able to restore it.

Yes, you are correct.  With Mediawiki in particular there is a "View 
History" button at the top of every page, and anyone who can make 
changes will see "rollback" links next to previous versions of the page.

Chris

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 22:04:54 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:04:54 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <50946FF9.7090008@iu.edu>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80024362@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8002441F@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<7661A626-3D56-44F8-9DB9-EF8B3312AFB2@xyratex.com>
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My main concern is that we would need to go from using the 
shared-hosting solution that DreamHost offers to a more self-managed 
virtual private server (or host the server somewhere else).  That means 
more of someone's time spent playing sysadmin for OpenSFS.

I am not opposed to Confluence.  But MediaWiki better matches the level 
of effort I'm currently willing to devote to the Wiki.

The again, MediaWiki could become a moot point (or at least its ease of 
administration argument) if it turns out that DreamHost's "One Click" 
control panel doesn't give us the options we need.

Chris

On 11/02/2012 06:14 PM, Justin Miller wrote:
> Confluence wiki is definitely worth considering.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview/team-collaboration-software
>
> Atlassian provides licenses to their stable of products for open source
> projects, I'd wager OpenSFS would qualify for that.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
>
> - Justin
>
> On 11/2/12 1:52 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
>> Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up
>> before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured
>> MediaWiki instance.
>>
>> I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and
>> configured the way we want.
>>
>> The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were
>> unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it
>> is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into
>> where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the
>> passwords, etc.
>>
>> If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki
>> engine, please speak up promptly.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone
>>> <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the
>>>> wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>>>
>>>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are
>>>> pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing
>>>> that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the
>>>> problems?
>>> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual
>>> formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The
>>> difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
>>> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> cdwg mailing list
>>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
> .
>

From carrier at cray.com  Wed Nov  7 22:07:32 2012
From: carrier at cray.com (John Carrier)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:07:32 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
In-Reply-To: <509AD231.3010008@llnl.gov>
References: <509AB0D6.8040809@llnl.gov>
	<FA00D969-1486-466F-B275-3A5A3FD2805D@xyratex.com>
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	<509AD231.3010008@llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED135F@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>

I'm in favor of your option "C",  which I think is what is used by Wikipedia too.  For example, I can't make an immediate update to Wikipedia without being vetted by someone first. We don't need a moderator, just someone who authorizes access.  I think this model is effective and keeps the churn to a minimum.   

I didn't use foswiki because of the mixed messages about the site redesign.  I didn't want to put any effort into the site if it was going to change.  I have a dummy page I created for testing.  I find mediawiki to be a more intuitive interface for editing than foswiki.  

--jc

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher J. Morrone [mailto:morrone2 at llnl.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:27 PM
To: John Carrier
Cc: Nathan Rutman; cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
Subject: Re: [cdwg] Wiki Update

On 11/07/2012 01:08 PM, John Carrier wrote:
> Chris,
>
> When Shay first had the mediawiki set up, there were a couple problems I encountered.  Anyone could register on the wiki regardless of affiliation and anyone registered could add/remove content.  We need to allow the wiki to be moderated before updates get posted.  There were also issues with uploading files (ie they weren't enabled).

First, those issues are just configuration details, not fundamental problems with either Mediawiki or our service level at Dreamhost.  Now more detail:

Permissions: Is that REALLY necessary?  Our opensfs wiki is nearly entirely unused.  You talked about the TWG area on the wiki on a recent call.  But that area is just an empty stub, not an actually used area. 
Why is that?

To make the wiki better, I think Nathan and I are of the opinion that we need to lower the bar for contribution.

But like I said, Mediawiki is configurable.  The main modes are something like:

   A) Anyone can create/modify pages without an account.  Anyone can
      view pages.
   B) Anyone who creates an account can create/modify pages.  Anyone can
      view pages.
   C) Anyone who creates an account, and then someone else authorizes
      that account can create/modify pages.  Anyone can view pages.
   D) Private wiki.  Only those with accounts and authorization can even
      view the wiki.

I selected "B" the first time through configuring it.  That will stop the dumber bots from spaming our wiki.  I think it would be reasonable to wait until people actually start causing problems, or we get bots that are auto-creating accounts on our site and spamming us (although we might also look into captcha to help avoid bots).

But if people are really paranoid, I suppose C would work, and I would just try to authorize all new accounts from recognized names and/or organizations as soon as possible.

Uploads:  I turned them on.  Max file size increased to 64MB.  That can be changed if needed.

Chris

From gshipman at ornl.gov  Wed Nov  7 22:20:18 2012
From: gshipman at ornl.gov (Shipman, Galen M.)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:20:18 -0500
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
Message-ID: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>

Could we use a hosted confluence service and perhaps offer other services to our participants for their development projects as well, such as Jira and Greenhopper?

Many companies offer these as hosted services.



-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher J. Morrone [morrone2 at llnl.gov<mailto:morrone2 at llnl.gov>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
To: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
Subject: Re: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS


My main concern is that we would need to go from using the
shared-hosting solution that DreamHost offers to a more self-managed
virtual private server (or host the server somewhere else).  That means
more of someone's time spent playing sysadmin for OpenSFS.

I am not opposed to Confluence.  But MediaWiki better matches the level
of effort I'm currently willing to devote to the Wiki.

The again, MediaWiki could become a moot point (or at least its ease of
administration argument) if it turns out that DreamHost's "One Click"
control panel doesn't give us the options we need.

Chris

On 11/02/2012 06:14 PM, Justin Miller wrote:
> Confluence wiki is definitely worth considering.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview/team-collaboration-software
>
> Atlassian provides licenses to their stable of products for open source
> projects, I'd wager OpenSFS would qualify for that.
>
> http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
>
> - Justin
>
> On 11/2/12 1:52 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
>> Ok.  I too would be in favor of a switch to MediaWiki.  We had it set up
>> before, and in fact wiki.opensfs.org still goes to an un-configured
>> MediaWiki instance.
>>
>> I am inclined to pursue getting the MediaWiki instance upgraded and
>> configured the way we want.
>>
>> The only complaint that I am aware of for MediaWiki is that folks were
>> unable to upload files.  But of course MediaWiki DOES support that, it
>> is just (according to the FAQ) disabled by default.  So I'll look into
>> where it is hosted, what controls we have, who current has the
>> passwords, etc.
>>
>> If anyone has any other requirements or suggestions for a better wiki
>> engine, please speak up promptly.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 11/02/2012 07:23 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Christopher J. Morrone
>>> <morrone2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could you please elaborate?  Our you referring to content on the
>>>> wiki, or the actual wiki software?
>>>>
>>>> If it is the latter, what are the problems?  You guys at Xyratex are
>>>> pretty much the only people that I know of using the foswiki thing
>>>> that was set up.  Are you having problems with it?  What are the
>>>> problems?
>>> The actual wiki software.  The half-gui interface, the unusual
>>> formatting delimiters.  No permissions to do anything. The
>>> difficulties adding content are a barrier to improving this.
>>> MediaWiki just seems easier.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/01/2012 10:06 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>>>> My 2 cents: all I really care about is a working Wiki ASAP...
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>>>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 22:24:18 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:24:18 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Update
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On 11/07/2012 02:07 PM, John Carrier wrote:
> I'm in favor of your option "C",  which I think is what is used by Wikipedia too.  For example, I can't make an immediate update to Wikipedia without being vetted by someone first. We don't need a moderator, just someone who authorizes access.  I think this model is effective and keeps the churn to a minimum.

Ok, that is fine with me.

With the clean URL design that I want for the wiki that are 
implementation-agnostic, we could even transition to another wiki 
package at some future date.  I see that there are content translators 
for Confluence, for instance, that will populate a Confluence instance 
from a MediaWiki instance.  The translation isn't perfect, of course, 
but the bulk of the content would, I presume, all copy over and appear 
at the same URLs.

Chris

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 22:52:03 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:52:03 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: Website progress materials
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6A0@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Hi all,

There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I've also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.

Regards,
Pam

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719

From: Jodi Wing [mailto:jodi at louddog.com]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:58 AM
To: Hamilton, Pam; Morrone, Chris; Norman Morse
Cc: Jesse Casman; opensfs at louddog.com
Subject: Website progress materials

Hi there,
Attached are are the website progress mockups to review today.

Talk to you in a few!

Jodi Wing
------------------------
Art Director

415 956 0200 x112
jodi at louddog.com
[cid:f46741e1-3a8c-4db7-b1de-cfde3271513d at llnl.gov]
[cid:32042263-84c9-487f-b481-405701fd2078 at llnl.gov]
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From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 23:06:36 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:06:36 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] ACTION NEEDED: Agenda for unofficial Lustre BOF
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6FF@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Hi all,

OpenSFS has secured a time/location for an "unofficial" Lustre BOF to be held on Wednesday, Nov 14th, from 5:30pm to 7:30pm at the Salt Lake Marriott Downtown City Creek 2nd floor Snowbird Rm.

I'm working on an agenda and word is getting out so I've had some inquiries about it. I apologize for the very late notice. Please consider if you have anyone from your organizations who will be attending SC12 and could do a brief presentation about an interesting Lustre topic.

I'd like the BOF to be community driven. We discussed it on the CDWG call this morning and had an idea to include a talk about testing. In particular, to talk about the efforts spinning up around 2.4. Eric Barton has volunteered to give a Fast Forward update. We could also include  a hardware vendor talk or two. Andreas Dilger has offered to talk about future Lustre features.

I understand this is very late notice and I apologize for that but as this is an "unofficial" BOF, I think we can keep it informal.

Regards,
Pam

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719

From: lustre-discuss-bounces at lists.lustre.org [mailto:lustre-discuss-bounces at lists.lustre.org] On Behalf Of Norman Morse
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 9:36 PM
To: lustre-discuss at lists.lustre.org
Subject: [Lustre-discuss] The latest updates around Lustre and open source files systems from OpenSFS and EOFS

You headed to Salt Lake City? SC is always the main HPC conference of the year. OpenSFS and EOFS will be at SC12 Nov 12 - 15th talking open source and file systems at booth 2101. We've had a really busy year with some great progress around Lustre development in particular! Also some new important participants have joined. Lots of great momentum, come by and find out the latest!

At SC12, we've got great talks at our booth Monday evening at 7:30 for starters and our popular popcorn and beer reception wil be Tuesday evening from 4 to 6. And we've got talks at the booth on Tuesday and Wednesday covering the Lustre roadmap, Lustre WAN issues, Sequoia topics and tons more. OpenSFS/EOFS Participants DataDirect Networks, Indiana University, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LNLL), NetApp, University of Florida, Whamcloud/Intel, and Xyratex will all be talking open source file systems.

We'll have an 'unofficial' Birds of a Feather (BOF) session Wednesday evening the 14th.  Please stop by our booth for time, location and agenda.

The updates from the OpenSFS Community Development Working Group (CDWG) and the OpenSFS Technical Working Group (TWG) in particular will be of interest to open source file system technologists and users.
Mon, 7:30pm, Pam Hamilton, OpenSFS - "OpenSFS Community Development Working Group - Bringing the Lustre Community Together"

Mon, 8:00pm, Dave Dillow, OpenSFS - "OpenSFS Technical Working Group (TWG) 2012 Goals and Accomplishments"
Full OpenSFS/EOFS Participant talks schedule: http://www.opensfs.org/events-2/supercomputing2012

Come by and talk open source file systems!

With best regards,

Norm (OpenSFS), Hugo (EOFS)
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From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov  7 23:57:46 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:57:46 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>
References: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <509AF57A.9030602@llnl.gov>

On 11/07/2012 02:20 PM, Shipman, Galen M. wrote:
> Could we use a hosted confluence service and perhaps offer other
> services to our participants for their development projects as well,
> such as Jira and Greenhopper?
>
> Many companies offer these as hosted services.

OpenSFS has had hosted services available for over two years on github, 
and they have gone completely unused.  What development projects does 
OpenSFS plan to engage in, and what services do those projects need?

We need a wiki.  Lets stick to that for now.

Could we use a hosted Confluence?  Yes, we could.  Are you volunteering 
ORNL man power to work on this?  If so, in what time frame can you have 
the evaluation done?  The setup done?

Chris

From gshipman at ornl.gov  Thu Nov  8 03:34:30 2012
From: gshipman at ornl.gov (Shipman, Galen M.)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:34:30 -0500
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <509AF57A.9030602@llnl.gov>
References: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>
	<509AF57A.9030602@llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <CBB7D9D5-E064-4A74-B7EC-A1DA43DDD566@ornl.gov>


On Nov 7, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:

OpenSFS has had hosted services available for over two years on github,
and they have gone completely unused.  What development projects does
OpenSFS plan to engage in, and what services do those projects need?


We have some folks from NASA that have expressed interest in releasing software through OpenSFS, in the past ORNL expressed interest in hosting a repo and releasing software through OpenSFS.
I would assume that if we had software released through OpenSFS it would be good to have a trouble ticket system such as Jira. I wasn't aware that we have an OpenSFS github instance. Can you send me the details off list?


We need a wiki.  Lets stick to that for now.


Certainly covering one item at a time make sense, just pointing out that we could provide other hosted services along with Confluence.

Could we use a hosted Confluence?  Yes, we could.  Are you volunteering
ORNL man power to work on this?  If so, in what time frame can you have
the evaluation done?  The setup done?

So this is a manpower issue at heart if Confluence is a hosted service? You anticipate this requiring more effort than MediaWiki because it is setting up a new service or is it the ongoing care/feeding of the system the issue?
We could look into getting some IT resources at ORNL to help with this but I do wonder if we are getting close to the point that it would make sense for OpenSFS to have a part-time sysadmin for these types of activities.
Not sure if the total level of admin effort expended at this point warrants this, do you have a sense for the amount of volunteer time goes into these types of things today? How about in the future with a more rich web presence, will things uptick from this as well?

Thanks,

Galen

From andreas.dilger at intel.com  Thu Nov  8 15:01:00 2012
From: andreas.dilger at intel.com (Dilger, Andreas)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:01:00 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: Website progress materials
In-Reply-To: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6A0@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>

On 11/7/12 3:52 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:

>Hi all,
> 
>There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I¹ve
>also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.

I personally like the second one better.

Cheers, Andreas

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  8 16:59:58 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:59:58 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: Website progress materials
In-Reply-To: <CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6A0@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003FDF9@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Hi Andreas,

I didn't do a very good job of explaining the specific differences between the mock-ups.

OPS1201-OPENseas-r2.png -> This would be the Home page for opensfs.org. The site which is focused on OpenSFS the organization.

OPS1201-subpage-r1.png -> This is an example of what a subpage on opensfs.org would look like.

OPS1201-lustre-r1.png -> This would be the Home page for lustre.opensfs.org which is a separate web site focused on Lustre (but sponsored by OpenSFS).

I totally get why you would like the "lustre" one better ;-)

The good news is that it isn't an either/or choice!

Regards,
Pam

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab 
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilger, Andreas [mailto:andreas.dilger at intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:01 AM
> To: Hamilton, Pam
> Cc: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: Re: [cdwg] FW: Website progress materials
> 
> On 11/7/12 3:52 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> >There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I¹ve
> >also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.
> 
> I personally like the second one better.
> 
> Cheers, Andreas

From andreas.dilger at intel.com  Thu Nov  8 17:27:28 2012
From: andreas.dilger at intel.com (Dilger, Andreas)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:27:28 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] ACTION NEEDED: Agenda for unofficial Lustre BOF
In-Reply-To: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6FF@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <CCC1265B.FFC%andreas.dilger@intel.com>

On 11/7/12 4:06 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> 
>OpenSFS has secured a time/location for an ³unofficial² Lustre BOF to be
>held on Wednesday, Nov 14th, from 5:30pm to 7:30pm at the Salt Lake
>Marriott
> Downtown City Creek 2nd floor Snowbird Rm.
> 
>I¹m working on an agenda and word is getting out so I¹ve had some
>inquiries about it. I apologize for the very late notice. Please consider
>if you have anyone
> from your organizations who will be attending SC12 and could do a brief
>presentation about an interesting Lustre topic.
> 
>I¹d like the BOF to be community driven. We discussed it on the CDWG call
>this morning and had an idea to include a talk about testing. In
>particular, to talk
> about the efforts spinning up around 2.4. Eric Barton has volunteered to
>give a Fast Forward update. We could also include  a hardware vendor talk
>or two. Andreas Dilger has offered to talk about future Lustre features.
> 
>I understand this is very late notice and I apologize for that but as
>this is an ³unofficial² BOF, I think we can keep it informal.

Pam,
If you wanted I could do the "Lustre 2.4 future features" presentation
that I did at Paris LAD.  This covers the in-progress OpenSFS projects for
DNE and LFSCK, NRS, HSM, ZFS and is about 30 minutes.

Cheers, Andreas

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  8 17:28:39 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:28:39 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] ACTION NEEDED: Agenda for unofficial Lustre BOF
In-Reply-To: <CCC1265B.FFC%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6FF@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
	<CCC1265B.FFC%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003FEDF@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

You're on!  Thanks!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilger, Andreas [mailto:andreas.dilger at intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:27 AM
> To: Hamilton, Pam
> Cc: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: Re: [cdwg] ACTION NEEDED: Agenda for unofficial Lustre BOF
> Importance: High
> 
> On 11/7/12 4:06 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> 
> >
> >OpenSFS has secured a time/location for an ³unofficial² Lustre BOF to
> be
> >held on Wednesday, Nov 14th, from 5:30pm to 7:30pm at the Salt Lake
> >Marriott
> > Downtown City Creek 2nd floor Snowbird Rm.
> >
> >I¹m working on an agenda and word is getting out so I¹ve had some
> >inquiries about it. I apologize for the very late notice. Please
> consider
> >if you have anyone
> > from your organizations who will be attending SC12 and could do a
> brief
> >presentation about an interesting Lustre topic.
> >
> >I¹d like the BOF to be community driven. We discussed it on the CDWG
> call
> >this morning and had an idea to include a talk about testing. In
> >particular, to talk
> > about the efforts spinning up around 2.4. Eric Barton has volunteered
> to
> >give a Fast Forward update. We could also include  a hardware vendor
> talk
> >or two. Andreas Dilger has offered to talk about future Lustre
> features.
> >
> >I understand this is very late notice and I apologize for that but as
> >this is an ³unofficial² BOF, I think we can keep it informal.
> 
> Pam,
> If you wanted I could do the "Lustre 2.4 future features" presentation
> that I did at Paris LAD.  This covers the in-progress OpenSFS projects
> for
> DNE and LFSCK, NRS, HSM, ZFS and is about 30 minutes.
> 
> Cheers, Andreas

From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Thu Nov  8 17:36:32 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:36:32 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Website progress materials
In-Reply-To: <CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
References: <CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
Message-ID: <FFA333C9-D365-4F8D-8709-B73A726CE96C@xyratex.com>

Definitely the second one, nicely grouped information

On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:01 AM, "Dilger, Andreas" <andreas.dilger at intel.com> wrote:

> On 11/7/12 3:52 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I¹ve
>> also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.
> 
> I personally like the second one better.
> 
> Cheers, Andreas
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From uja at ornl.gov  Thu Nov  8 18:43:14 2012
From: uja at ornl.gov (James A Simmons)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:43:14 -0500
Subject: [cdwg] FW: Website progress materials
In-Reply-To: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6A0@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
References: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003F6A0@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <1352400194.3378.15.camel@bohr.ornl.gov>

On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 17:52 -0500, Hamilton, Pam wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I’ve
> also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.

I also like the second one. Much better than the ocean one. 



> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  8 19:08:43 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:08:43 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <CBB7D9D5-E064-4A74-B7EC-A1DA43DDD566@ornl.gov>
References: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>
	<509AF57A.9030602@llnl.gov>
	<CBB7D9D5-E064-4A74-B7EC-A1DA43DDD566@ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <509C033B.7030102@llnl.gov>

On 11/07/2012 07:34 PM, Shipman, Galen M. wrote:
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
>
> OpenSFS has had hosted services available for over two years on github,
> and they have gone completely unused.  What development projects does
> OpenSFS plan to engage in, and what services do those projects need?
>
>
> We have some folks from NASA that have expressed interest in releasing software through OpenSFS, in the past ORNL expressed interest in hosting a repo and releasing software through OpenSFS.
> I would assume that if we had software released through OpenSFS it would be good to have a trouble ticket system such as Jira. I wasn't aware that we have an OpenSFS github instance. Can you send me the details off list?

Yes, we had that discussion, and my recollection is that we decided 
against OpenSFS becoming a general project hosting service.  As you say, 
there are many hosting services out there.

The github details are short, and I think keeping the conversation open 
is worthwhile.

Ryan Weiss grabbed the "opensfs" organization name for us on github on 
Jun 23, 2010.  I have admin rights on the account should we need to use it.

URL is: https://github.com/opensfs

This is a free (as in money) account at this time, and can only host 
fully-public projects.

Chris

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  8 17:49:26 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:49:26 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
In-Reply-To: <CBB7D9D5-E064-4A74-B7EC-A1DA43DDD566@ornl.gov>
References: <A3308EF44527A547957CEBFAB3AACE2E97A6B19177@EXCHMBB.ornl.gov>
	<509AF57A.9030602@llnl.gov>
	<CBB7D9D5-E064-4A74-B7EC-A1DA43DDD566@ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8003FFD6@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

github provides integrated issue tracking:

https://github.com/features/projects

Manpower is an issue for OpenSFS and, in my opinion, always will be as long as we remain a completely volunteer organization. Those of us actively involved in OpenSFS have full-time jobs. Whatever services OpenSFS wants to offer must remain as low overhead as possible.

I can say as Chris' manager that he doesn't have time to evaluate Confluence/JIRA and what it would take for OpenSFS to use a hosted instance of it. Based on our experience here at Livermore Computing with bringing up Confluence/JIRA, I expect even a hosted instance is going to require some amount of care and feeding.

Regards,
Pam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:cdwg-
> bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Shipman, Galen M.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:35 PM
> To: Morrone, Chris
> Cc: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: Re: [cdwg] New Wiki for OpenSFS
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Christopher J. Morrone wrote:
> 
> OpenSFS has had hosted services available for over two years on github,
> and they have gone completely unused.  What development projects does
> OpenSFS plan to engage in, and what services do those projects need?
> 
> 
> We have some folks from NASA that have expressed interest in releasing
> software through OpenSFS, in the past ORNL expressed interest in
> hosting a repo and releasing software through OpenSFS.
> I would assume that if we had software released through OpenSFS it
> would be good to have a trouble ticket system such as Jira. I wasn't
> aware that we have an OpenSFS github instance. Can you send me the
> details off list?
> 
> 
> We need a wiki.  Lets stick to that for now.
> 
> 
> Certainly covering one item at a time make sense, just pointing out
> that we could provide other hosted services along with Confluence.
> 
> Could we use a hosted Confluence?  Yes, we could.  Are you volunteering
> ORNL man power to work on this?  If so, in what time frame can you have
> the evaluation done?  The setup done?
> 
> So this is a manpower issue at heart if Confluence is a hosted service?
> You anticipate this requiring more effort than MediaWiki because it is
> setting up a new service or is it the ongoing care/feeding of the
> system the issue?
> We could look into getting some IT resources at ORNL to help with this
> but I do wonder if we are getting close to the point that it would make
> sense for OpenSFS to have a part-time sysadmin for these types of
> activities.
> Not sure if the total level of admin effort expended at this point
> warrants this, do you have a sense for the amount of volunteer time
> goes into these types of things today? How about in the future with a
> more rich web presence, will things uptick from this as well?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Galen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Thu Nov  8 18:28:17 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:28:17 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Website progress materials
In-Reply-To: <FFA333C9-D365-4F8D-8709-B73A726CE96C@xyratex.com>
References: <CCC11714.F75%andreas.dilger@intel.com>
	<FFA333C9-D365-4F8D-8709-B73A726CE96C@xyratex.com>
Message-ID: <509BF9C1.9080401@llnl.gov>

I don't think this is an either/or situation.  Here's an explanation, as 
I understand it:

   OPS1201-OPENseas-r2.png - front page of www.opensfs.org
   OPS1201-subpage-r1.png - www.opensfs.org page template
   OPS1201-lustre-1.png - lustre.opensfs.org page template

So the front page of www.opensfs.org is the flashy page to entice folks 
to opensfs.  That front page png mock-up is multiple slides in one 
graphic.  When it is implemented on the web page, there will be some 
click or scroll mechanism that will allow flipping between the slides.

Then all other pages at www.opensfs.org will follow a more general 
template, OPS1201-subpage-r1.png.

Lustre, as an open-source project that has users and community broader 
than OpenSFS, will have its own lustre.opensfs.org domain, and a 
similiar, but different template.  While we want it to be inclusive, and 
not make people feel like our lustre pages are only for OpenSFS members, 
we do want to make clear the effort that OpenSFS puts into the project 
and encourage those who have similar interests to join OpenSFS, so there 
is an OpenSFS footer at the bottom of all of the lustre pages to 
maintain some tie-in.

Chris

On 11/08/2012 09:36 AM, Nathan Rutman wrote:
> Definitely the second one, nicely grouped information
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:01 AM, "Dilger, Andreas" <andreas.dilger at intel.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/7/12 3:52 PM, "Hamilton, Pam" <hamilton5 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> There are two more web site mock ups embedded in the email below. I¹ve
>>> also attached them to this email along with the SC12 brochure.
>>
>> I personally like the second one better.
>>
>> Cheers, Andreas
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cdwg mailing list
>> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
>> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org
>

From peter.a.jones at intel.com  Thu Nov  8 21:58:48 2012
From: peter.a.jones at intel.com (Jones, Peter A)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:58:48 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Roadmap Refresh - DRAFT FOR REVIEW
In-Reply-To: <A58D7719023A5D47A6D3BEAF8C0BE6750FED3A91@CFWEX01.americas.cray.com>
Message-ID: <CCC16A60.70CC%peter.a.jones@intel.com>

John Carrier asked me to circulate this draft to the mailing list for any
further comment

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From peter.a.jones at intel.com  Fri Nov  9 15:04:48 2012
From: peter.a.jones at intel.com (Jones, Peter A)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:04:48 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Lustre 2.4 update - November 9th 2012
Message-ID: <CCC25B8F.7216%peter.a.jones@intel.com>


Hi there

Here is an update on the Lustre 2.4 release.

Landings
========

-A number of landings made - see http://git.whamcloud.com/?p=fs/lustre-release.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master<http://git.whamcloud.com/?p=fs/lustre-release.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/b2_3>

Testing
=======

-Testing on the 2.3.54 tag is in progress

Blockers
========

-Full list available at http://jira.whamcloud.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10292<http://jira.whamcloud.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10205>

Other
=====

-The master branch is open for feature landings.

Thanks

Peter



From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov  9 17:43:42 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:43:42 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] [Discuss] TWG Meeting at SC12
In-Reply-To: <1352434694.28730.6.camel@obelisk.thedillows.org>
References: <1352434694.28730.6.camel@obelisk.thedillows.org>
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80040841@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Hi Dave and TWG,

A suggestion was discussed on a recent CDWG call that I wanted to share with the TWG.

It seems there are ideas for improvements to Lustre which can be characterized as small discrete items/tasks. Instead of, or in addition to, putting out an RFP which is large in scope, how about RFPs for these small discrete items/tasks? Presumably, these could be executed much more quickly than trying to prioritize a longer list of items and drafting the subsequent more complicated Statement of Work. The SOW for a single item would certainly be easier to write.

I'll plan to join in on your TWG meeting in Salt Lake.

Regards,
Pam

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab 
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719


> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:discuss-
> bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of David Dillow
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:18 PM
> To: twg at lists.opensfs.org
> Cc: discuss at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: [Discuss] TWG Meeting at SC12
> 
> When:
> 	Tuesday November 13th
> 	10am-11am MST
> 
> Where:
> 	Intel/Whamcloud whisper suite (Deer Valley 1)
> 	Salt Lake Marriott Downtown @ City Creek
> 
> 	Conference bridge:
> 	888-875-9370 or 916-356-2663
> 	Bridge #3 Passcode 5149071
> 
> Agenda:
> 	Intel Contract update
> 	IU Contract update
> 	RFP update and planning
> 	Other items as suggested (send to list)
> 
> 
> Much thanks to Intel for providing us the room and the conference
> bridge!
> --
> Dave Dillow
> National Center for Computational Science
> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
> (865) 241-6602 office
> 
> _______________________________________________
> discuss mailing list
> discuss at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/discuss-opensfs.org

From morrone2 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov  9 21:53:13 2012
From: morrone2 at llnl.gov (Christopher J. Morrone)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:53:13 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Is Up!
Message-ID: <509D7B49.1080201@llnl.gov>

Hi folks,

wiki.opensfs.org is set up and read for use.

I decided not to pursue making the MediaWiki instance appear under 
opensfs.org/wiki, and instead just leave it at wiki.opensfs.org.  Our 
web sites, which run on Wordpress, are likely to be changing hosting 
locations quite soon.  While it is probably technically possible to keep 
everything in the same namespace, it will be prohibitively difficult for 
me to do.

The account creation process now requires approval, and only folks with 
accounts can create or change wiki pages.

I added the opensfs logo to the wiki, and enabled a couple of Mediawiki 
extensions to make things a bit nicer.

I started a page to begin documenting OpenSFS's various infrastructure 
bits, wiki, web hosting, etc. at 
http://wiki.opensfs.org/OpenSFS_Infrastructure.

Chris

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov  9 22:07:50 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:07:50 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Is Up!
In-Reply-To: <509D7B49.1080201@llnl.gov>
References: <509D7B49.1080201@llnl.gov>
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8004118F@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Nice!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdwg-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:cdwg-
> bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Christopher J. Morrone
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 1:53 PM
> To: cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> Subject: [cdwg] Wiki Is Up!
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> wiki.opensfs.org is set up and read for use.
> 
> I decided not to pursue making the MediaWiki instance appear under
> opensfs.org/wiki, and instead just leave it at wiki.opensfs.org.  Our
> web sites, which run on Wordpress, are likely to be changing hosting
> locations quite soon.  While it is probably technically possible to
> keep
> everything in the same namespace, it will be prohibitively difficult
> for
> me to do.
> 
> The account creation process now requires approval, and only folks with
> accounts can create or change wiki pages.
> 
> I added the opensfs logo to the wiki, and enabled a couple of Mediawiki
> extensions to make things a bit nicer.
> 
> I started a page to begin documenting OpenSFS's various infrastructure
> bits, wiki, web hosting, etc. at
> http://wiki.opensfs.org/OpenSFS_Infrastructure.
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> cdwg mailing list
> cdwg at lists.opensfs.org
> http://lists.opensfs.org/listinfo.cgi/cdwg-opensfs.org

From nathan_rutman at xyratex.com  Sat Nov 10 03:12:38 2012
From: nathan_rutman at xyratex.com (Nathan Rutman)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:12:38 -0800
Subject: [cdwg] New test framework
Message-ID: <3418A331-F07E-4CC0-A2C1-4C8DB7592C4F@xyratex.com>

For awhile now I've believed that the current built-in Lustre tests have a number of problems and limitations that are limiting their usefulness in finding Lustre bugs or providing a good proxy for Lustre quality.  We started this initially with a discussion on TWG, further refined some ideas for our LAD presentation, and have now finally articulated them in a semi-coherent manner here:
http://goo.gl/mCtwU

Chris Gearing at Intel is also heavily interested in this, and has started turning some of these thoughts into an actual spec, but before I integrate those I'd like to get a little feedback from the community on the high-level concepts.  I'd also like to hear back from others that are interested in the topic (and hopefully willing to work on it) so we can put together a special-interest list for discussion.

I've given everyone comment rights and Chris and Roman edit rights for this doc - if anyone else wants to be an editor, let me know.

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From spitzcor at cray.com  Tue Nov 13 20:04:15 2012
From: spitzcor at cray.com (Cory Spitz)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:04:15 -0600
Subject: [cdwg] [Lustre-discuss] The latest updates around Lustre and
 open source files systems from OpenSFS and EOFS
In-Reply-To: <CAO87L15iTmCttt=SbvL-WCtingdjd8pVirHTG9=u+BqtmMTD_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO87L15iTmCttt=SbvL-WCtingdjd8pVirHTG9=u+BqtmMTD_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A2A7BF.3060309@cray.com>

Hi, Norman.

Thanks for sending out the link to 
http://www.opensfs.org/events/super-computing-2012.  If the presenters 
have slides, I'd suggest we link them in there.  Maybe it would be best 
if presenters added PDFs to wiki.opensfs.org.  Then who can update the 
www.opensfs.org page to link them in?

Thanks,
-Cory

On 11/05/2012 11:35 PM, Norman Morse wrote:
> You headed to Salt Lake City? SC is always the main HPC conference of
> the year. OpenSFS and EOFS will be at SC12 Nov 12 - 15th talking open
> source and file systems at booth 2101. We've had a really busy year with
> some great progress around Lustre development in particular! Also some
> new important participants have joined. Lots of great momentum, come by
> and find out the latest!
>
> At SC12, we've got great talks at our booth Monday evening at 7:30 for
> starters and our popular popcorn and beer reception wil be Tuesday
> evening from 4 to 6. And we've got talks at the booth on Tuesday and
> Wednesday covering the Lustre roadmap, Lustre WAN issues, Sequoia topics
> and tons more. OpenSFS/EOFS Participants DataDirect Networks, Indiana
> University, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LNLL), NetApp,
> University of Florida, Whamcloud/Intel, and Xyratex will all be talking
> open source file systems.
>
> We'll have an 'unofficial' Birds of a Feather (BOF) session Wednesday
> evening the 14th. Please stop by our booth for time, location and agenda.
>
> The updates from the OpenSFS Community Development Working Group (CDWG)
> and the OpenSFS Technical Working Group (TWG) in particular will be of
> interest to open source file system technologists and users.
>
> Mon, 7:30pm, Pam Hamilton, OpenSFS - "OpenSFS Community Development
> Working Group – Bringing the Lustre Community Together"
>
> Mon, 8:00pm, Dave Dillow, OpenSFS - "OpenSFS Technical Working Group
> (TWG) 2012 Goals and Accomplishments"
>
> Full OpenSFS/EOFS Participant talks schedule:
> http://www.opensfs.org/events-2/supercomputing2012
>
> Come by and talk open source file systems!
>
> With best regards,
>
> Norm (OpenSFS), Hugo (EOFS)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lustre-discuss mailing list
> Lustre-discuss at lists.lustre.org
> http://lists.lustre.org/mailman/listinfo/lustre-discuss

From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov 16 17:12:44 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:12:44 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Canceled: OpenSFS Community Development WG call
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8004AFC8@PRDEXMBX-02.the-lab.llnl.gov>

When: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:00 AM-10:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*


 Hi all,

No call this week. Happy Thanksgiving!!

Regards,
Pam


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From peter.a.jones at intel.com  Fri Nov 23 18:21:01 2012
From: peter.a.jones at intel.com (Jones, Peter A)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:21:01 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] Lustre 2.4 update - November 23rd 2012
Message-ID: <CCD4FEAA.8494%peter.a.jones@intel.com>

 Hi there

Here is an update on the Lustre 2.4 release.

Landings
========

-A number of landings made - see http://git.whamcloud.com/?p=fs/lustre-release.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master<http://git.whamcloud.com/?p=fs/lustre-release.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/b2_3>
-The most significant of these is arguably the latest change under LU-1606 because it resolved the build breakage for e2fsprogs

Testing
=======

-Testing on the 2.3.54 tag completed; testing on 2.3.56 tag is underway
-Dedicated testing  on the Hyperion cluster is underway against the 2.3.56 tag; testing is continuing over the US long weekend but results will only be analyzed early next week

Blockers
========

-Full list available at http://jira.whamcloud.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10292<http://jira.whamcloud.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10205>
-There have been a number of regular failures since  master auto test runs switched from SLES11 SP1 to SLES11 SP2 clients; there are candidate fixes for these being tracked under LU-2273/2181/1783

Other
=====

-ZFS testing is being done in parallel with ldiskfs testing for all uploads into gerrit but only the latter affects the ability to land while configuration issues are being worked through with the former
-The master branch is open for feature landings.

Thanks

Peter



From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Wed Nov 28 16:13:20 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:13:20 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: New Test Framework Development Group Call - Minutes
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE80059F14@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

Hi all,

I'm just passing along information in case anyone on this mail list didn't see the earlier announcements regarding a new Lustre test framework development call which has started up. I'm sure this effort would be pleased to have more participants.

Regards,
Pam 

___________________________________
Pam Hamilton
Lawrence Livermore National Lab 
P.O. Box 808, L-556
Livermore, CA  94551-9900
E-Mail:  pgh at llnl.gov
Phone:  925-423-1332          Fax:  925-423-8719


> -----Original Message-----
> From: lustre-devel-bounces at lists.opensfs.org [mailto:lustre-devel-
> bounces at lists.opensfs.org] On Behalf Of Gearing, Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:41 AM
> To: lustre-devel at lists.opensfs.org; lustre-discuss at lists.lustre.org;
> WC-Discuss
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> Hi,
> 
> Here are the brief notes from the meeting we held on Tuesday 27th
> November .
> 
> Attendees: Nathan Rutman, Roman Grigoryev Cory Spitz, Bruce Korb, Denis
> Kondratenko, Ashley Pittman, Jeff Garlough and at least one other I
> could not identify.
> 
> The major discussion was about evolution vs revolution, the outcome was
> that evolution would be nice but that we should not compromise the new
> framework to enable it.
> 
> To enable this it as decided that we should define the complete
> requirements/design for the new framework and then assess if a
> evolution is possible, if possible then this is an added benefit if not
> then old and new will have to exist in parallel.
> 
> The actions are;
> 
> 1. Create a wiki entry on the OpenSFS wiki where everybody can add
> their wish list and requirements. (Chris)
> 2 .Send a note to the usual lists to explain the request for ideas.
> (Chris)
> 
> This group will meet again in 2 weeks to review and prioritise the
> list, and agree how a usable document of some sort can be created from
> the scribble.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris
> 
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From hamilton5 at llnl.gov  Fri Nov 30 17:56:53 2012
From: hamilton5 at llnl.gov (Hamilton, Pam)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:56:53 +0000
Subject: [cdwg] FW: OpenSFS Community Development WG call
Message-ID: <BA2D7B3CE56D644C89DCA01C898FDE8005C34D@PRDEXMBX-08.the-lab.llnl.gov>

When: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM-10:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*


 Hi all,

We will have an OpenSFS Community Development Working Group conference call next Wednesday, December 5th, at 9am Pacific.

Agenda:
•       Lustre Development Community Tree Maintenance Contract update
•       New web sites and other marketing ideas
•       Open discussion

Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Regards,
Pam

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From: Hamilton, Pam
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To: 'cdwg at lists.opensfs.org'
Cc: 'pjones at whamcloud.com'; Leininger, Matthew L.; 'Reitz, Doug M.'; 'Cory Spitz'; 'Hill, Jason J.'; 'cfaber at gmail.com'; 'Ferber, Dan'; Gary, Mark R.; 'Alexander I Kulyavtsev'; 'Jodi Levi'; 'Felix, Evan J'; 'Hanafi, Mahmoud (ARC-TN)[Computer Sciences Corporation]'
Subject: OpenSFS Community Development WG call
When: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:00 AM-10:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#



 Hi all,

This is the bi-weekly conference call of the OpenSFS Community Development Working Group. Occurs every 2 weeks on Wednesday effective 8/15/2012 from 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM Pacific.

Call-in: 866-914-3976 (925-424-8105) Passcode: 534986#

Regards,
Pam


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